Nick Hacheney and His Sheeple: The Harsh Reality

This is a follow up editorial to Monday’s book review of Gregg Olsen’s A Twisted Faith >>> Warning: The following may contain spoilers!

Sheeple

It’s hard to believe that anyone living in a world with any sort of media access could fall for such obvious BS coming from someone who claimed to be a “Man of God” considering that stories of  sexual abuse by Preachers and other sorts are common in newscasts today.

It is human nature to cast stones despite our own sins, but nonetheless wrong.  Yet I found it extremely difficult not to be judgmental while reading this book.

I think it must first be said that I was raised in a “holy roller” religion of sorts, the Church of God; notorious for its belief in speaking in tongues and other religious phenomenon not accepted in other denominations.

But Sandy Glass appeared to me, from the beginning, to be full of it.  While I believe in messages from God, I do not and cannot accept that God will tell someone about a spouse’s impending death…especially when you’re involved in an affair.

Just a little too convenient for my tastes.  And I’ll call it what it is:  a prophecy that could only come true by self-fulfillment.

And essentially that’s exactly what happened with Dawn Hacheney.  I think Sandy Glass conjured up a scenario, wished immensely for it, slapped a prophecy label on it, and Nick Hacheney ran with it.

Did Sandy help him?  I don’t know and since there is no evidence that she did, we’ll have to assume she didn’t.

And Annette Anderson….her relationship with Nick was sold to us as if she didn’t really want to have an extramarital affair with Nick but did so in the name of God.

Yet repeatedly she was irate with him for being close to other women, for not showing up for planned meetings, and actually sought him out on some occasions.

What the –?

Seriously, I can’t fathom seeking out something or someone that I am so reluctant about.

Why would God break one of his “Top Ten” (Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery) in his own plan?  Not to mention that the means to this plan included murder (another top ten) and fornication. Anyone who walks even a mild walk in the Christian faith should know God just doesn’t work that way.

And Nicole Matherson…she is the one I feel sorry for.  She is the one who is young with an apparent history of picking losers while suffering from obvious attachment/rejection issues.

But for her to still marry the guy after all this has come out?  All I can say to her is, “Honey, get yourself the best counselor money can buy before you daughter learns to pick men like mom.”

And Diane, Dawn’s mother…give me a break!  What kind of mother sleeps with her deceased daughters’ husband?  Obviously the kind who enjoyed his flirtations – like blowing in her ear – before her daughter’s death.  Yuck!

And, lastly, James and Mary Glass…while not directly involved with this rigamarole, is nonetheless pathetic people.  Why?  Because they KNEW what their daughter-in-law was up to with “Pastor Nick” yet they were willing to sell out their own FLESH AND BLOOD in the name of their grandchildren.

Well, I have something to say to them directly:  Your child is your child, no matter how imperfect they may have been in the past.  And for you to side with your daughter-in-law is WRONG.  Family comes first.  And your children, the ones who sprang from YOUR loins, are your first priority.  While I don’t expect anyone to be cruel to their ex-in-laws in cases of divorce, I do not find it unreasonable for blood to be thicker than water.

If Jimmy had presented a direct danger to the children, I can understand your position.  But he didn’t and he came to you for help, and yet you chose to side with a lying, manipulating woman who was nothing but a good actress.  I personally hope that Jimmy has told both of you take a flying freakin’ leap and has moved on with his life.

Although the counselor in this case may have told these women that none of the happenings were their fault, he was wrong.  If you are raped, that is someone else’s fault.  But when you consent to a sexual affair with someone, it is a CHOICE.

EVEN IF YOU DO IT BECAUSE IT’S “GOD’S PLAN.”

Bottom line, this is a story about people who were unwilling to stop and think for themselves.  And while I do not in any shape, form or fashion condone Nick Hacheney‘s actions – and I think he’s right where he belongs for murder – I think refusal to accept personal responsibility is a HUGE issue in this case.

While I or no one else on Earth will stand in judgment of those involved, it doesn’t mean that I’m required to set back and accept the continuous shoveling of BS being fed.

Just for once, it would be nice for someone in this group to admit they screwed up. They made mistakes. They were manipulated, but the choices were still theirs to make.

Then and only then can I not roll my eyes and fight off the feeling that I, too, and being pulled into a ring of manipulation and deceit.

No, I am not perfect.  I have more than my fair share of faults.  And yes, I know this is judgmental.  Maybe I’m going to hell for saying it.

But I accept my role in it.


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29 Responses to “Nick Hacheney and His Sheeple: The Harsh Reality”

  1. Annette says:

    Hi Kim,

    Thanks for the moral critique. Your view point is interesting.

    I’d just like to clear up something that you address in your first paragraph–about how tough it is to believe that anyone could fall for such BS concerning a “man of God” with the media exposure available today– The events in A TWISTED FAITH happened over ten years ago. I’m not sure that one of us had a computer in our home at the time, certainly not the internet. These tools came soon after. And when they did, they certainly opened up a huge window to the outside world. There were no stories coming our way of BS preachers exploiting their congregants.

    I don’t even think that the Catholic abuse issues had hit the mainstream media, let alone the vast array of abuse stories we are privy to today.

    Personally, I thought the book explained the isolationist elements of our church community quite well.

    • adk33 says:

      So how in the world were all these emails sent if no one had a computer then?

      • BrooklynLass says:

        I agree with you.

        Computers as well as the Internet was very much a part of society 10 years ago. Anyone who doesn’t know that either must have had a “senior moment” or has been “living in a very isolated vacuum”.

        Let’s say computers and Internet wasn’t part or yet fully integrated into society 10 years ago, who thinks people only learned “right from wrong” with the invent of computers? Remember that little thing called the Bible written “thousands of years ago” with the admonition about “not committing adultery”. Ok, let’s say you as pastor or parishioner conveniently forget about the Bible, what about the marriage vows taken when married.

        Excusing adultery based on whether or not the computer wasn’t invented until 10 years ago or just yesterday, is simply ridiculous!

  2. Joy says:

    Religion is the Opium of the masses and this pathectic community show that only too well, I don’t care about whether there was media exposure regarding religous abuses back then, what about a individuals ethics and morals which seem to be completely lacking from these sick individuals.
    I am a atheist but I can assure you that I have never lacked morals or ethics and in my 50 yrs on this earth I have never behaved in such a disgusting manner.

  3. Curious says:

    Annette, If you didn’t have computers, how were you and Sandi emailing Nick, and you at least, were IM’ing him from your home? Did you already forget what you told Gregg Olsen? By the way, the Internet was pretty much in use by 1993, and your affair with Nick was 1998? Kim Cantrell doesn’t mention the Internet, only “media,” which surely you picked up a newspaper or watched the news during this time to find out what was going on in the world outside of Bainbridge Island. Or did you not have any interest in anything outside your own little world? Do you not remember Jim Jones (1978) or David Koresh (1993)? There was a lot of media coverage on those two, I don’t know how you missed it. Those stories certainly would have “come your way” if you had your eyes and ears open. Or do you want to say perhaps that your “pastors” monitored your reading material and television watching? Is that what “isolationist elements” you are referring to? No, I didn’t read that in the book. If I missed it I apologize. I know you were quite busy running to Nick’s every beck and call, and then crying about it with Sandy in between times…but these two BS preachers who exploited their congregants came way before that. Did you need the media to remind you of what YOUR morals were? Would that have helped you turn down the attentions of someone you labeled a narcissist and sociopath, and stick to the vows you made to your husband?

  4. Annette says:

    Curious,

    Based on your tone it is quite obvious that you are not really interested in learning about the mindset or culture at play here, in spite of your barrage of supposed questions.

    As far as “media”, I will say that I rarely watched the news, for many years. And does anyone ever think they’re in a bad situation, before it’s too late? Most do not.

    Nick set me up with internet service and email in the Spring of ’98. If you follow the story time line (and it sounds like you do), then you know this was well after Dawn’s murder and the so-called affairs. I understand that the internet existed in the early ’90′s, but not in my world.

    The truth is not a tough story to follow. The problem may be that my story doesn’t match the version that you’ve heard. Which makes me wonder who you’ve been listening to…

  5. Curious says:

    You said you didn’t have a computer, and obviously you did, so be clear.

    If you didn’t ever watch the news, then I’m correct, you had no interest in anything outside your own little world. Not sure what you mean that Spring 1998 was “well after” Dawn’s death (Dec 26, 1997) or what “so-called affairs” you are referring to…Sandy’s and Nick’s? Or what any of that has to do with not knowing or caring what is going on in the world. You weren’t interested in the world, yet you expect other people to be interested in your own mindset of cheating on your husband with your church’s youth pastor? That is a rather conceited attitude.

    I only read the book, I don’t know any other version. You don’t come across well in the book…you do seem to know, or say in the book, that you were in a “bad” situation, doing something that you didn’t really want to do, so yes, I do believe you were aware that you were getting into a very bad situation right from the start, but you decided to go ahead with it anyway. I agree with the reviewer: ‘But when you consent to a sexual affair with someone, it is a CHOICE.

    EVEN IF YOU DO IT BECAUSE IT’S “GOD’S PLAN.”’
    In the book you say you made a “mistake.” Well, Nick could claim the same, but you call him an abuser. At least he wasn’t married. We really don’t get to hear Nick’s side of the story, although he seems like a real jerk. Strange that everyone (except Dawn – she must have wanted to get married in the worst way) in college recognized that he was a loser. Try though you may, I, and a lot of other readers, will never believe that you were stupid enough to fall for Nick’s line. You were with Nick because you wanted to be. If you didn’t want to be, if you didn’t want to cheat, then you wouldn’t have. There was some need he met in you, that you desired this attention from him. Also as the review states: “… her relationship with Nick was sold to us as if she didn’t really want to have an extramarital affair with Nick but did so in the name of God.
    Yet repeatedly she was irate with him for being close to other women, for not showing up for planned meetings, and actually sought him out on some occasions.
    What the –?
    Seriously, I can’t fathom seeking out something or someone that I am so reluctant about.”
    I noticed this as well. Your jealousy of Nicole was very clear. The whole time I was reading about your and Sandy’s “friendship” it seemed that you were well aware that she was sleeping with Nick too…from the things that she said, the things you said to her, the way she acted and from her devastation at his email breaking up with her. In the book, it’s quite obvious in the interactions that she had with you, that she had been with him. Perhaps you were too wrapped up in your own little world with Nick, even though the recreation of these conversations come from you, right? But when you find out, you say that she “betrayed” you – you obviously wanted to be special to Nick. Your behavior throughout is NOT one of a woman who is having sex for duty purposes only. And supposedly you were very upset with Nick for his bad treatment of Nicole and Sandy, Still, you wouldn’t stop sleeping with him, despite his meanness to your “friends” that you cared so deeply for. When you remark to Sandy how tired you are of it and maybe you should end it, and she replied, yes you should, you become pretty ticked off that she agrees with you! What did you want her to say to you, “oh no, you should go on sleeping with Nick even though you complain to me all the time about it.” People get sick of hearing it. Basically, in the book, you come across as a person who says one thing, but goes ahead and does what she really wants to do, and expects everyone else to just believe what you say. But you want everyone to understand what you say was your mindset at that time. It isn’t credible in your situation. If Nick had done this to some 15 year old (single) girl, then yes, I would understand. But not a 30 year old married woman who is supposed to be taking care of her 3 kids and believe in God, the Bible and the ten commandments. You actually OFFER to give your child Dimetapp (when Nick suggests Benadryl) so that he will sleep so that you can meet Nick’s sexual needs. Did God want you to do that to your child? It really seems that Nick was your God. You can’t have it both ways. I also agree with the reviewer in this: “it doesn’t mean that I’m required to set [sic] back and accept the continous [sic] shoveling of BS being fed.” She isn’t referring to just Nick, Annette.
    No matter how hard you try to convince yourself that you only did it for God, it won’t work on anyone who has a lick of common sense.

  6. Annette says:

    Curious says: “You weren’t interested in the world, yet you expect other people to be interested in your own mindset…”

    Curious,

    I don’t expect anything of anyone when they read or hear about the underlying factors of this story. What I imagine for some, is that they may be interested in understanding what happens within the twisted rationale of people who find themselves, for whatever reason, inside a bubble–whether this be a cultish church community or another closed and overtly controlled situation.

    Whatever hate-filled or morally superior position you take with me is relatively inconsequential to the overall scheme of your life or mine. What is of consequence is what you do with the people in your own life. I will most certainly assume that someone whom you actually care about will stumble and fall some day. If you can’t look beyond the most obvious “wrong”, and into the heart of a matter, then how will you ever distribute empathy or compassion within your own world?

    My hope for telling my story is that it be educational and informational (for those involved, who needed more info to move on). History is what it is. What you need to deal with has nothing to do with me. I wish you well and hope that you find what ever it is that you’re looking for.

  7. Kim Cantrell says:

    I thought I had said my piece, but I just can’t walk away from this.

    Annette, I strongly believe that Curious is feeling exactly what I am.

    In Gregg’s book, you mention how it felt wrong but you did it because you believed it was what God wanted and that is also what Nick had said.

    Well, if something feels wrong, 9 times out of 10, it is. And when something feels wrong, typically we, as humans, do not seek it out repeatedly. People do not like to be uncomfortable. So such statements are not believable to us.

    Secondly, Curious and I both are frustrated at the fact that you and other ladies in this group cannot accept responsiblity for your actions. The choices were YOURS to make. Not Nick’s and not God’s, who gives us free will. YOU made the choice, but want to point the finger at someone else.

    If you and Sandy could acknowledge that it was YOUR choice – a wrong one, but yours nonetheless – it would go a long way in giving your story credibility. But until you ditch the “It’s not my fault” attitude, you’ll do nothing but elicit feelings of ill will from those who understand the obvious.

    You say, “I will most certainly assume that someone whom you actually care about will stumble and fall some day. If you can’t look beyond the most obvious “wrong”, and into the heart of a matter, then how will you ever distribute empathy or compassion within your own world?”

    My response: This happens to everyone everyday. As the good book tells us, we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. We all sin, everyday; those we love sin, everyday. And, yes, sometimes those tumbles are more publized. I can have empathy or compassion for a person who has committed a sin, but it does not mean that they are released from accountability.

    Lastly, if you were so entwined in your world that you did not read or hear about stories of other manipulative preachers, how do you expect that someone in the same position would read Gregg’s book?

  8. Annette says:

    Kim,

    I understand that judgments made (regarding this story) are extremely subjective. People will form their opinion based on personality, experience, and in some cases, having an axe to grind.

    I’m not sure why it’s assumed that I haven’t taken responsibility for my actions. My actions landed me in a personal hellhole, which I spent many painful years, through the grace of God, climbing out of. My actions had an incredible impact on my family and close friends. Apologies have been made, and consequences have been worked through. My actions stand alone—yet not without being intertwined with the actions and influences of others.

    I hope I’ve done more explaining than blaming–it’s been my intention to do so.

  9. [...] (Have you already read it and want to share your thoughts? See my editorial on this case titled Nick Hacheney and His Sheeples: The Harsh Reality.) [...]

  10. Terry C - NJ says:

    Why can’t people think for themselves?

    It IS possible to know right from wrong WITHOUT blindly following some ridiculous dogma.

  11. Debby Randolph says:

    Annette, you have personal courage to expose your mistakes and lowest moments for others to learn from. I too have misjudged people in the past and gotten caught up in others’ psychodramas; now that I’m older, I know better. Our 30′s aren’t as “old” as we think they are!
    All human beings make mistakes, it’s another chance to learn something about life.
    So I admire you for that and I’m glad you and your husband have been able to keep it together.

  12. Karen says:

    I belonged to a church exactly like this one in another state. It is not possible for people who have not experienced brainwashing and religious manipulation to understand how this could happen, but it can and does – even with the Internet.

    There are so many things that play a part in creating a ripe environment for religious predators like this. Centuries of teaching women that their role is to be subservient to men and to be the caretakers of the needy. The Bible puts pastors above men and both of them above women. The church and the Bible send constant messages and teachings to obey men of God without question and tell story after story of what happens to those who do not. They teach us to always have a “servant” mentality, ostracizing anyone who questions them or doesn’t obey. They vilify anyone who speaks out against what they are teaching, and the list goes on and on.

    It takes years and years to pull this off. I know because I watched it happen in my own church from the time I was 13 until I was 24. I did not become a physical victim only because I was, fortunately, too selfish and rebellious to do what I was told. Still, I was labeled as such and was kept on the outskirts of the church and its activities because of it. The congregants regarded me as having “religious demons” of rebellion and anger. (And a slew of others, I’m sure.) Still, even I believed I was the bad one.

    It is a mistake to think these pastors just walk up to a woman and say, “Hey, let’s have sex!” If they did, anyone would see that. These people are experts at manipulation and brainwashing, and it takes a very long time to create the atmosphere and mental conditioning that allows these women to become trapped by it.

    Even if the women were to see their own pastor on the 6:00 news accused of sexual impropriety, those who are brainwashed will not see it. They will immediately think that the woman reporting it has wrongfully exposed a man of God and his “higher revelation of God,” either because the devil is using her to destroy God’s work through that pastor or because she just doesn’t understand this higher revelation like the truly spiritual do.

    Just as surely as people all over the world will continue to get caught up in this type of manipulation, so, too, will people who haven’t experienced it for themselves, claim it could not possibly happen. It will never change.

  13. Karen says:

    And one more thing, Annette. I believe you and so do many others. Just because you experienced an amount of enjoyment or even thrill or whatever good feelings you may have had, it doesn’t change one single thing about the facts.

    It does not erase the fact that at the exact same time that you felt anything good, you also felt uncomfortable. It does not mean you were not manipulated or brainwashed into doing or believing something you normally would not have.

    One is a natural emotional/physical occurrence that happens because you are a human. There is no shame in having felt any of those “good” feelings because that’s just nature. It has nothing at all to do with mental and spiritual manipulation.

    Is it odd that you may have felt jealous at this pastor seeing other women? No. Of course it isn’t odd. It’s the nature of a woman.

    And it does not mean anything at all if you “wanted” to have the affair (which is not an affair, by the way) with the pastor. Again, it is natural for a woman to want to feel wanted, desired, and important, especially to someone the entire church views as a great man of God. So what? Again, that’s nature.

    What these people don’t get is that these predators use the natural desires and natural needs of women to do exactly what they do. It is part of what makes them so successful.

    Many of these kinds of pastors have couples counseling for these very reasons – to find out what the problems are in a marriage so they can use that information to their advantage. Of course you are going to enjoy a part of it. That’s its design.

    It still does not change that someone who was in a position of authority over you, manipulated and brainwashed you into believing that what you were doing or told to do was what God wanted you to do and therefore, you must do it. That makes him the predator and you the victim. Period.

    It’s the reason why it is illegal for anyone in a position of authority (pastors, bosses, teachers, counselors, etc.) to have relationships like this with those “under” them. It is not an even playing field by virtue of their position of power. Nowhere in that law does it say, “…unless the victim enjoyed it.”

  14. CAROL says:

    The only thing I could think the whole time watching this chaos is this lady, Annette, is either THE dumbest and most pathetic woman alive or she is a very deceitful, selfish, and manipulative woman who turns her own mistakes into the mistakes of others. And somehow she convinces others of this. Let’s not forget, SHE DRUGGED HER CHILD TO GAIN SEXUAL PLEASURE. When did the maternal instinct go out the window? That alone proves to me she knew what she was doing and nothing, not even her own child was going to stop her from fulfilling HER DESIRES. In that moment, SHE LOVED HERSELF MORE THAN HER CHILD, HUSBAND AND WHATEVER “GOD” SHE WORSHIPS. She won’t change. She has an innate deceit about her.

  15. Karen says:

    Carol,

    It is scary how wrong you are and even more scary how right you think you are. I really hope you are never on a jury.

    In my former church/cult, I watched mothers “give” their own children to these pastors. Three generations of women. These brainwashing skills are designed to numb a person to the sound of the word “sex” even being used in a church and then to the idea of it being okay to discuss (when talking about husbands and wives) and then to merging it in with the word “love.”

    Once the victims are accustomed to hearing about sex (which is now referred to as love) then the predators can begin using Bible quotes and church teachings to confuse the victim even more about what God “means” when he refers to love in the Bible.

    Like I said, it doesn’t happen overnight. It takes a long time and very subtle manipulations of thought and belief until the victim is completely clueless as to what the predator is doing.

  16. Angela says:

    I just finished this book after staying up till all hours 3 nights in a row to do so. I would read until my eyes snapped shut. Utterly fascinating. I have not lived in such a world myself but had a coworker recently who did, and I just couldn’t wrap my head around how she basically disconnected her brain when it came to pronouncements from her pastor, her spouse, or other male authority figures. Her life took some bad turns due to her subservience and having witnessed that, I felt I had some understanding of the world depicted in “A Twisted Faith,” and appreciated the opportunity to learn more about women who get caught in this kind of mess.

    Annette, I thank you very much for sharing more information here. On the one hand I find it hard to comprehend how events unfolded for you (and the other women) but I believe it. And I hope your messages reaches people who need to hear it – who need to know that God gave us ALL brains, and free will, and that it is very dangerous to unquestioningly turn it all over to another human. Power corrupts, as we see all too often with authority figures – no matter how many or how few they hold influence over.

    Karen, your explanation of your former church was a much more articulate explanation of what I am trying to say here. Thank you.

    One question I still had after finishing the book was whether Nick believed his own BS. I know he was raised to think he was so special – and certainly he continued to be treated that way as the years went on. I tend to think he really thought that his own desires were God giving him the go-ahead. Scary.

  17. [...] Olsen writes with a style reminiscent of Jack Olsen (no relation), giving readers what they want and how they want it; that is, lots of juicy details without the overwhelming boringness of trial.  This story will disgust, enrage, and, at times, outright confuse you – not because of the writing style, but because of the people involved. [...]

  18. Tonya says:

    I can’t say that I’ve read all posts but have read most. I find in this day and even in my past, I’ve always felt close to God. Over the years I’ve questioned occurences in my life and even questioned pastors and religious leaders. I’ve had situations in life where I’ve felt uncomfortable but at the time had no way to escape so I had to endure the consequences. That being said, I must say that God allowed me to get out of the situation and through God, I was given enough wisdom not to “go back.”

    It is my opinion that most of the pain endured by all was because no one asked God for guidance. Instead, they relied on a prophet or word given by someone else. God will speak to you if you ask but we each must be willing to listen. Yes, I believe that hell and Satan are real so the devil always has a plan to lead us down dark paths but when we truly ask God to overshadow and show us the light, he will. Prayer really does change things and through Christ we can find peace and true happiness.

    I can’t criticize for I’m not perfect. I pray that each person has learned from the experience and through the experience has drawn closer to the true living God. I only hope that more people put their faith in God and the teachings of the bible rather than a so-called messenger for no son or daughter of man is perfect.

  19. Sordid Lives says:

    All I can say is Pastor Nick must have been a great lover and the sex must have been Earth shattering. Otherwise these women would not have continued to dip into the Nick pool as often as they did.

  20. teresa says:

    I can only hope that Annette is not receiving financial gain from this book at the cost of Dawn’s life. I hope any funds are being donated to charities of abused and victimized women and children. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. I pray that Annette has sincerely repented. Love does not rejoice in iniquity. My point in this statement is that if she is truly repented no self gain from the book should be received on her behalf. There is no way I would buy that book knowing she is cashing in. Just saying. It just doesn’t seem right. I think the biggest problem is that she is making herself too much of a victim instead of taking personal accountability. When we confess our faults to the Savior he is faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Airing dirty laundry for personal gain is wrong. I certainly hope this is not the case. Annette may have been “exploited” twice; the second time by a greedy book writer. Some of her responses just don’t seem to show personal accountability. People want to know that you are remorseful. May God truly help all of us. I pray that the spirit of true repentance to sweep through our nation and revival to heal our land. May God bless Annette and her family. In addition I pray that Nick will also find forgiveness. Healing and restoration to all lives that have been impacted. MEN’S HEART’S CAN BE DESPERATELY WICKED BUT JESUS SAVES!

    • Kim Cantrell says:

      “Annette may have been “exploited” twice; the second time by a greedy book writer.”

      Annette did not make any money from this book, only its author Gregg Olsen; but to call him greedy is absolutely absurd.

      Why is it, when one puts a story that is told in newspapers and on television into book form they are suddenly considered to be greedy and earning a fortune on the misfortune of others?

      Again… these same stories on are television shows such as Dateline or 20/20, who earn money from advertising, including the news – who, yes, do make money from advertisers. And it’s told repeatedly through newspaper articles, who once again count on advertising in order to remain in business. Same with magazines.

      So why in the world are authors the target of such ridicule?

      I am not the author of this book, nor any book, but this is something that irks me. If you’ve watched a television ‘documentary’ about the case, don’t come in gripping about ‘greedy book writers.’ Frankly, it’s hypocritical.

  21. teresa says:

    Mrs “irked”

    We are all in titled to have an opinion. As you obviously did in 2010 in which you were once again ” irked” with Annette’s lack on ownership in her role in this situation. Which, in my opinion was in itself “hypocritical”.
    Nevertheless, I am very glad to know that Annette is not receiving any financial gains from the Mr. Olsen’s book. As for Mr. Olsen, I am sure he wrote the book to “strictly” raise public awareness. I am sure financial motives had nothing to do with his incentive to write the book.

    • Kim Cantrell says:

      Financial incentive had EVERYTHING to do with the book. Why would it not? I can’t personally speak for Gregg Olsen but I know I wouldn’t spend hours researching and interviewing people and working to turn out an interesting story for nothing.

  22. Dean says:

    Having seen this story last week on the Investigation Discovery channel, I found the book and devoured it. One can’t say that the likes of Nick’s activities occur in all other churches with similar theology. However, the theology of emotionalism, favored personages (eg, “prophets” and “apostles”), and so-called messages from God (eg, a “word of faith”) invites such problems. I’ve been in conservative but more mainline Protestant churches for decades, but have been occasionally exposed to these “apostolic” churches from time to time. I’ve suspected for quite some time, that their theology can lead to emotional excesses that cause problems.

    This book, while documenting the activities in just one church, indicates the danger of such a theology, and it’s why the story fascinated me so much. The pastor of the church I currently attend frequently says, “If I say something that disagrees with the Bible, then the Bible is right and I am wrong.” Of course, very few Christians have read the Bible through once, let alone done any serious study of it, and that makes them vulnerable as well. Of course, you don’t have to know much about Christianity to know that this was wrong, and that pastors can’t override Biblical morals.

    Sandy Glass is the person that fascinated me the most. Why did everyone think she was a prophetess??? Because she said so??? I’m naturally skeptical of such people, but apparently no one else there was (or perhaps they left?). Are people so desperate for someone to give them hope, that they will follow someone like this? Even so, there were better leaders, even at that church.

    From this story, I think may non-Christians will get a “false” message about most churches. I think most Christians will get the message about the devious nature of temptation.

  23. teresa says:

    My point exactly Kim:-)

  24. Susan Chenoweth says:

    Any member of that church who truly believed that God Himself and the Archangel Gabriel revealed Their presence to a ‘subservient’ woman instead of one of the men in the church, or better yet, one of the male leaders of the church, was susceptible to manipulation on a monumental scale! That being said, Sandy and Nick, in their minds, had Divine Rights, and were poised to either take over the existing church, or begin a new one, complete with its very own by laws allowing a wide latitude for interpretation of the written Word and prophesy. Dawn was simply in the way of certain glory. Annette allowed herself
    to be seduced by Nick, with Sandy’s
    blessing. She didn’t buy into Divine Rights or a new order religion. She
    simply had an affair with a charismatic
    man. Sandy saw her dream of status fading when she discovered Nick courting the preacher’s young daughter. I, however, believe Sandy was directly involved in the planning of Dawn’s murder. Nicole was desperate to believe in Nick. She was desperate for love and stability. Naive perhaps. But I don’t believe there was malice or ambition in her motives for wanting to be with Nick. Both Nick and Sandy are narcissistic psychopaths. Annette, willingly cheated on her husband with another man. She did some awful things in order to continue the affair and was not happy when it ended. So she told on Nick and herself while claiming naivety and vulnerability. She needs to be honest with herself, her husband and her god. As for Dawn’s mother, basically the same principles as Sandy’s excuses apply. It wasn’t difficult for Nick to seduce his mother in law. She also needs to own up to it. Poor Dawn. A casualty of the seven deadly sins.

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